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			<title>PSU amps...</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:28:06 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>So while I am at this whole PC upgrade thing, a video card I am looking at requires a rating of 26A.

Total amps available for my 12v rails is...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>So while I am at this whole PC upgrade thing, a video card I am looking at requires a rating of 26A.<br />
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Total amps available for my 12v rails is limited to 42A, (18A x 3 rails).<br />
If I am not currently using any of the 3 rails from the PSU, can I run this card?<br />
I worry only b/c the output says 18A maximum PER RAIL, but if not using the other I should have the whole 42A at my disposal of the one rail I use for the graphics card.... yes?<br />
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Someone help me sort this out cause my brain is gettin messy. That may be the kratom though, not sure....<br />
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			<title>PC fan question</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:42:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Anyone here good with computers? I have an old 120mm, 12VDC, 0.5A, 3pin, NMB SmartFanfan I'd like to install as an intake in the front of my PC.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Anyone here good with computers? I have an old 120mm, 12VDC, 0.5A, 3pin, NMB SmartFanfan I'd like to install as an intake in the front of my PC.<br />
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1) Can I use a 3pin to 4pin molex adapter? I want the PSU's 4pin &quot;fan-only&quot; connectors to regulate this fan. Plus I dont have any extra motherboard 3pin plugs left AND the cord on this fan is super short. Like 2 inches.<br />
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2) Does it matter if the intake fan has higher CFM than the other case fan under the PSU thats blowing air out? Its only a 80mm, so I am guessing it moves less air...<br />
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3) My power supply (Antec TP3 550w) has those &quot;fan-only&quot; plugs; how do I know whether they are suitable for the 500mA NMB? The user manual doesnt specify. The &quot;Fan-only&quot; plugs would have to be at least 500mA, where more is ok, right? I am guessing the fan only plugs are 12v....<br />
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-G7</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[check out Pandora's threats!!!!]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:07:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[she's been PM'ing me today with threats to crash edot. check this out.
 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>she's been PM'ing me today with threats to crash edot. check this out.<br />
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<b>pandoras box - </b>4th September 2010, 10:41 PM <br />
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i delete the battleshit thread now everyone is talking shit about me. get reaady to pay especiall you quantumbrujo<br />
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THE FALL OF EDOT<br />
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<img src="http://www.entheogen.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif" border="0" alt="" /> <b>your site is going down - </b>4th September 2010, 10:37 PM <br />
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hey fuck ass. does the ip 67.205.53.152 look familar? your site will be crased soon your going down o i love doing this bitch.<br />
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i havent decided should i crash your servers first or get to the admins console and fuck your site in the ass<br />
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don't think i wont do it. also i know backdoor programs to get it the administrator cp. there are 2 weak backdoors<br />
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see 1 is <a href="http://www.entheogen.com//index.php?option=com_user&amp;view=reset&amp;layout=confirm" target="_blank">http://www.entheogen.com//index.php?...yout=confir m</a><br />
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or i will break through your shitty joomla wall below<br />
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<a href="http://www.entheogen.com/administrator/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.entheogen.com/administrator/index.php</a><br />
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:evil: :twisted: :twisted: get ready</div>

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			<dc:creator>Quantumbrujo</dc:creator>
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			<title>Happiness</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:52:29 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Do you go looking for it or does it find you? Is not happiness, a genuine baseline of cheerfulness in the face of loss, the end goal? If not, why...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Do you go looking for it or does it find you? Is not happiness, a genuine baseline of cheerfulness in the face of loss, the end goal? If not, why shouldn't it be?<br />
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I've been in a serious fucking slump for months now. At times feeling serious deep depression, and I've got it easy! So fucking easy! I know people who get fist fucked by life every day of the week and let it slide right off their back like water. Then again, I know others who don't take it so well. I'm trying to figure out how to bring cheerfulness into my life, even with all the bad shit that goes on out there. I'm sick of letting it get me down.<br />
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This is why SWIM is thinking some serious psychedelic-fueled soul searching is in order as soon as he can find a good time.</div>

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			<dc:creator>Beelzebozo</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[80'S music]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 06:02:16 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Post an old favorite:



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Post an old favorite:<br />
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			<title>Mescaline Extraction</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:27:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>SWIM has done a number of A/B extraction with only moderate success, one in witch has given SWIM many problems and made him read through his...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>SWIM has done a number of A/B extraction with only moderate success, one in witch has given SWIM many problems and made him read through his chemistry books again just to see if he was wrong in any part, which he was not. San pedro seems to bad the hardest organic chemistry he has encountered, and swim has done a few reductions of different compounds. Ok here's my question where did swim go wrong?<br />
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The process followed as written....<br />
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200g of dried powered san pedro skin was added to 2liters of 1M NaOH, swim let is set for 24h, swim then added 200ml of xylene mixed well, the xylene turned yellow, so swim separated the xylene and mixed with 200ml of a very low concentrated hcl maybe 5 drops for the 200ml mixed well, then separated then the h20 evaporated off to leave a somewhat crystalline residue Swim gathered it up and weighed out 200mg and waited............................... and waited nothing ever happened.<br />
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I can only think of two thing the naoh wasn't strong enough, or wrong cactus. Swim has tried a 2M naoh solution and still nothing, so how important is the Ph for mescaline if you go over will it decompose are should Swim go up to ph 14 of the mother liqour.<br />
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IDK, Swim seems lost when it comes to mescaline extraction, but swim would love to over come the problems and be successful at a mescaline extraction with crystals not a tea or something that still makes me vomit. Thanks for any help.</div>

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			<dc:creator>Token</dc:creator>
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			<title>This Weekend on SpiritPlants Radio (September 2010)</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:26:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Turn on . . . tune in! SpiritPlants Radio is on the air 24/7!

SpiritPlants Radio's website can be found at http://spfradio.yage.net. On this site is...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Turn on . . . tune in! SpiritPlants Radio is on the air 24/7!<br />
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SpiritPlants Radio's website can be found at <a href="http://spfradio.yage.net" target="_blank">http://spfradio.yage.net</a>. On this site is the current weekend schedule &amp; links to listen live, as well as links to the station's archives, blog, forum, chat, playlists, &amp; song history (weekdays feature the (M)ystery-(F)low!).<br />
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Welcome to Encore Days (September 4-5, 2010)! We are featuring the following great DJs and their shows from the past month:<br />
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*** &quot;Within's Within: Scenes from the Psychedelic Revolution with DJ Soulard&quot; | Show information: <a href="http://scriptorpress.com/withinswithin.html" target="_blank">http://scriptorpress.com/withinswithin.html</a><br />
*** &quot;The River’s Edge with DJ Catfishrivers&quot; | Show information at: <a href="http://www.catfishrivers.com" target="_blank">http://www.catfishrivers.com</a><br />
*** &quot;The Elastic Retreat with DJ DeadtotheWorld&quot; | Show information: <a href="http://djdead666.livejournal.com/" target="_blank">http://djdead666.livejournal.com/</a><br />
*** &quot;Electronica with DJ Veronica&quot; | Show information: <a href="http://djveronica.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://djveronica.blogspot.com/</a><br />
*** Hi-Fi Hippie Show with the 2 Zillion Year Old Hippie | Show information: <a href="http://2zillionhippie.podomatic.com/" target="_blank">http://2zillionhippie.podomatic.com/</a><br />
*** Imaginary Chains with DJ Flip | Show information: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/whatseasytoremember" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/whatseasytoremember</a><br />
*** Disco Dichotomy with DJ Dellamorte | Show information: <a href="http://djdellamorte.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://djdellamorte.blogspot.com/</a><br />
*** Condemned to Be Free with DJ Dharma | Show information: <a href="http://condemned2befree.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://condemned2befree.blogspot.com/</a><br />
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Join in! We always want new DJs. Email us at <a href="mailto:spiritplantsradio@gmail.com">spiritplantsradio@gmail.com</a>!<br />
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Peace,<br />
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			<dc:creator>cenacle</dc:creator>
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			<title>Kava Kava 1 ounce liquid extract</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:57:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Very impressed with a vendors that sells lots of herbs, sells Kava Kava liquid extract, instructions say 30 drops. 60 drops is just right.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Very impressed with a vendors that sells lots of herbs, sells Kava Kava liquid extract, instructions say 30 drops. 60 drops is just right.</div>

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			<title>The Return</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:48:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Ok so SWIM has only taken the magical fungi twice. One experience was very good, and the other was legendarily awful (or at least so intense that it...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Ok so SWIM has only taken the magical fungi twice. One experience was very good, and the other was legendarily awful (or at least so intense that it fucked with his mind real bad for half a year). However, SWIM keeps feeling as though he missed out on a valuable ally, and that the causes that lead to his bad trip could easily be avoided for a future trip. My interest with this thread is advice from anyone here who has had a monumentally bad trip, and then returned to the entheogen in question, and how they &quot;reintroduced&quot; themselves to it (hopefully successfully :smile: ). I want to believe it's possible, but I'm understandably apprehensive.<br />
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			<dc:creator>Beelzebozo</dc:creator>
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			<title>Vote to remove Pandora as mod</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:57:17 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I think that a petition should be started to remove Pandora as mod. She has abused her powers and should no longer be allowed mod access. I know that...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I think that a petition should be started to remove Pandora as mod. She has abused her powers and should no longer be allowed mod access. I know that the admins are MIA, but when (or if) one of them shows up, I would like them to see a thread with tons of members clamoring for her removal.<br />
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I vote she be removed as mod.<br />
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(Oh, and if this thread gets mysteriously deleted, I'll just start another one.)</div>

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			<category domain="http://www.entheogen.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=143">The Edot Web Site</category>
			<dc:creator>Dioxippus</dc:creator>
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			<title>Acacia Confusa experiment.</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:11:36 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[there's been some talk about Acacia Confusa being very rich in tryptamines.there are claims that it is orally active on it's own without MAOI's.some...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>there's been some talk about Acacia Confusa being very rich in tryptamines.there are claims that it is orally active on it's own without MAOI's.some are claiming 1.5% nn DMT in the rootbark. other reports are saying 1.5% in the stembark. some ar syaing .04% in the stembark but 1.5% in the rootbark. I've been reading all kinds of claims that contradict each other, so what the fuck?to know for sure one would have to perform an extraction and see what kind of yields one gets.this is where Edgar comes in.He knows lots and lots of people all around the planet, and one of his friends was nice enough to send him some stembark all the way from across the world so he can try an extraction and see for himself.He now wonders , would he go about it the same way as for mimosa rootbark? just to be sure he thinks he might try a de-fatting step in the begining, then doing your typical acid/base extraction using the same PH values as for mimosa.specially at the freebasing stage where you need to get that juice way up to 13.5PH for better yields and less emulsions.anyone who has worked with A.Confusa is welcome to chime into this thread but do so before this coming weekend as this is when that rock'n'roll Aardvark will be doing his thing.stay tuned.</div>

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			<dc:creator>Quantumbrujo</dc:creator>
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			<title>an interesting account</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:06:55 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I recently purchased a small desk from a thrift store. When I got home I was surprised to find some papers tucked inside. One of them had the heading...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I recently purchased a small desk from a thrift store. When I got home I was surprised to find some papers tucked inside. One of them had the heading 'salvia exper one.' I think it's a great find. Thought others might find it interesting, too.<br />
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as i exhaled, two spirits, male and female, left with the smoke. i realized they had been with me the whole time up til then. as they left, singing, i saw the last of the smoke wavering past me, toward the window. it seemed to have a consciousness of its own. then the room changed. it became malleable, and the ceiling fan was causing it to swirl clockwise. suddenly, the outline of the room and the fan was still there, solid, but the color had changed, as if a layer of paint covered everything. but it was not solid orange and blue--it was made up of millions and millions of repeating patterns of me lying in bed. and when i moved, i could see all the iterations of me move as well. i soon became frightened, because it was all draining out through the fan. that's when i realized i was lying face up in a pool of liquid. and even though the liquid wall i was laying on was melting and being sucked into the fan. i knew that if i hung on i would be okay.<br />
through all this the ceiling fan and my window stayed constant.<br />
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at some point i became aware of time passing, though i don't know at what rate. and a passing truck seemed unbearably loud. i remember asking the sun and (imagined) people standing outside my window 'is this real?'<br />
i heard someone on the street below echo the question.<br />
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through this there were at least three levels of reality. there was the level i left behind and returned to. this one poke through when i was aware of the people and cars on the street.<br />
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there was an in-between level, of the spirits present and the imaginary landscape outside my window. it was from this level that i began having the sensations of my room melting. and it was this level that i thought i would return and be safe.<br />
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there was a third level, though. i knew that the swirling, melted room was not real (relative to the second level), but that if i had let myself experience it, i would have gone into the fan to explore. i found it frightening, and didn't let myself go too deep. i'm not sure what i would have found there.<br />
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i need to let myself recouperate[sic]. i won't do this again for a while--until i feel more firm. perhaps when i am ready i will go further. i don't know. it looked scary.</div>

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			<dc:creator>YearOfTheHorse</dc:creator>
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			<title>My new babies!</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:39:31 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Here they are right after taking them from the box...

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Here they are right after taking them from the box...<br />
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You know who you are...  THANKS!!</div>

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			<dc:creator>skunkjar</dc:creator>
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			<title>Pumpkin Cider?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:28:40 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Anyone have any experience making an apple cider with pumpkin in it? It seems like it would be really good, but I can't find any info on how to make...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Anyone have any experience making an apple cider with pumpkin in it? It seems like it would be really good, but I can't find any info on how to make it. If you have any experience or ideas let me know. :D<br />
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I plan on brewing a few others, I got one draft style going right now. Next I'm going to try a cider brewed with Gruit herbs and some mulled spicings. After that I'm doing another draft style with a different style of yeast safale-05 instead of Nottingham. Then after I'll try to brew the pumpkin. |8)</div>

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			<title>male sexual abuse</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:53:50 GMT</pubDate>
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i hope this can help some one struggling with this issue the numbers are to big to ignore . so pass this...</description>
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i hope this can help some one struggling with this issue the numbers are to big to ignore . so pass this link on it could help some one or even save a life . people feel alone with this issue and they should not be because you are not alone . hope this helps</div>

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