Amanitas Muscaria

[mutant]

merlin, I think amanitas DO have their load on liver, even though I think it's of a less impact than alcohol. Where did you find refs on this? link me please....

I suspect the combo between the two is rather heavier than each one on its own. Yeah Milk thistle is one thing one can have and occasionally use... to protect the liver from liver toxic habits...

He also felt that by taking low doses this way, he was building up a relationship with the effects of the mushroom, and feels as if it will benefit him in future higher dose experiments.

you can say that again mr. catfishrivers... glad to see some more people getting intimate with amanitas, not just looking for a quick psychedelic fix.

I like them to watch a movie on,that's about it.

that's funny , my dog says watching a movie while drinking a middle dose won't do anything [suppose also has to do with which movie]. Stuff start happening when movie ends and attention is left unassigned again... Dog also says smoking green some 10 mins after things start happening will dramatically affect a low to mid dose... for better...

TO all amanita experimenters: remember that, when you determine the dose you're comfortable with, it pays to eat/drink it at once, and not in 2 or 3 portions. That's also true with low/mid doses...

[catfishrivers]

Originally Posted by mutant

TO all amanita experimenters: remember that, when you determine the dose you're comfortable with, it pays to eat/drink it at once, and not in 2 or 3 portions. That's also true with low/mid doses...

Why is this so? The handful of times the dude has gone for higher dosages recently, he has done so in a series of augmented doses throughout the day. The end result was what he expected from amanita muscaria, a sort of dissociative, drunken feeling that when he closed his eyes, easily dissipated from his attention as his inner vision kicked in and started showing him things. Had the dude consumed everything in one go, instead of splitting it up over a few hours time, what might have been the difference?

[mutant]

alright, cool to know that. how many doses of how many grams each time over how many hours is that???

still it's true with middle doses: you cant prolong a mid experience for much, redosing has to be done early or else only sedative effects will become more apparent.... but you might be right and I wrong, that one can eventually breakthrough from there... from the final phase of a mid dose. one might have more chances to pass out like this maybe...

. my dude has been where you describe, [very close to what you describe actually, albeit a bit more intense maybe] using 3x mid doses [5-7 dried gr each dose] over 3-4 hours...

If your dude had consumed all in once, the end state might be more or less the same, but the start up [stimulation] and pre-dissociative euphoria would be greater and more intense. So more interesting start but propably more intense comeup with whatever this means... Also the transition from euphoria to dissociative might be faster, like in passing out...???

thoughts...

[catfishrivers]

Originally Posted by mutant

alright, cool to know that. how many doses of how many grams each time over how many hours is that???

Last time he says it was 2.5 gr in 4 doses spread out over the course of around 10 hours

still it's true with middle doses: you cant prolong a mid experience for much, redosing has to be done early or else only sedative effects will become more apparent.... but you might be right and I wrong, that one can eventually breakthrough from there... from the final phase of a mid dose. one might have more chances to pass out like this maybe...

I'm guessing personally sensitivities and metabolisms will definitely play into what people specifically experience. However, the dude's experience with this mushroom has only begun in earnest, so it's all new info to him.

. my dude has been where you describe, [very close to what you describe actually, albeit a bit more intense maybe] using 3x mid doses [5-7 dried gr each dose] over 3-4 hours...

If your dude had consumed all in once, the end state might be more or less the same, but the start up [stimulation] and pre-dissociative euphoria would be greater and more intense. So more interesting start but propably more intense comeup with whatever this means... Also the transition from euphoria to dissociative might be faster, like in passing out...???

thoughts...

Passing out would be bad. The higher dose experiences seem interesting, but so far the thing that has struck me about the dude's experiments has been the daily low dose regimen he has been working with. The way he described feeling in control of his vices as a result, especially compulsive eating behavior, really caught my attention. He said it's as if the voice in his head that would always be screaming to stop eating but was ignored, was back in the co-pilot role, instead of some cruel malkovichian mind phantom. He said that his over all mood seems improved so far, but not that he feels happy or euphoric, definitely able to perform daily tasks required of him. It really interests me in its seeming potential with treating compulsive eating behavior for the dude, and possibly other similar issues.

I guess I will just have to hear back from the dude the next time I catch him on the street and see where his experiments have taken him. It's cool to hear other experiences than the dude's, so thanks for sharing what you heard.

[mutant]

Last time he says it was 2.5 gr in 4 doses spread out over the course of around 10 hours

your dude had a breakthrough with 4x2,5 grams spaced in 10 hours??

sounds like potent material... my dudes material has stems in too and one wouldn't breakthrough with 10 gr normally, especially consumed so spaced-apart in 4 doses...

this also might indicate the personal factor you mentioned. And mybe, just maybe also that the familiarity level with the material might change the actual experience [my dude is more experienced than yours]

Drinking this at once would propably cause a much more intense experience be ware... Unless you were not adressing to that 'intense' experience your dude had...

Also my dude had an experience last night with that same material.

amanita tea from 11,5 gr [caps and stems] where consumed in hour, also followed with couple of beers and little green in a social and happy night. He went to two gigs, was social & happy. Beers where drank all along.

Note dude does not suggest this combo to anyone. He feels compatible though, and he has used amanitas this way with good results.

No hangover from the combo this time, dude slept up to late , mayby hence the absence of headache and/or hangover...

[cochisewolf]

My cat has a terrific gag reflex to agaric and so has to use capsules but this makes for pretty accurate dosages. With Washington A's 5g makes for a good launch. The cat discovered something though. A while back he took meticulous notes on a rather long stretched out affair. He found a pattern to the peaks on the nature of a initial mid peak, a major peak, and an exiting mid peak. He further found that while effects varied somewhat the timing of these peaks were pretty consistent. He then timed the dosages so as to align the peaks. For example he could time the exit peak of one event with the major peak and initial peak of another etc. These produced super peaks much as one sees as constructive interference in waves.

These could easily occur by accident as the time for the initial peak is about the point where most cats think they're not getting off and so will do some more. Or they will feel the initial peak and figure it's not that strong and will do some more.

Unfortunetly I lost my meticulous notes so I can see the solution to the dilema is to repeat the research. It would be interesting though to see if these timelines were invariant from cat to cat.

Temperamnet, weight, last food ingestion etc all of course have an effect as well. So far I use as a standard the Washington As. I believe these are by far the best. The Siberian strain for example, only succeeds in getting the cat sick and grouchy. I'd be interested if someone disagreed with this as the cat is always looking for something better.

[mutant]

First of all don't be so sure that what you buy as siberian or latvian or whatever shit is really that, OK?

Second, I regard what you noted, cochisewolf, that is peaks in the effects, propably as something random.

Amanita high, says my dog, in low/mid doses is very dependent on what you are doing and the mood you're at. No mood, no appetite to do stuff might result in a less interesting experience, a good mood/company/energetic appetite might result in a good experience.

Thus, positive triggers like a nice song or a good thought or good feeling or something might easily trigger the peaks you talk about, even after the main experience [stimulation, euphoria, sedation] is over....

In dogs experience, amanitas in mid doses is a lot like this. That's why dog says it's a relatively mild and surely not overwhelming experience, especially in the low end of low/mid doses....

Don't wait for the mushroom to do stuff by itself when in low/mid doses... Have your own mood and plans and good company and amanita will eventually reveal itself...

[cochisewolf]

Good point about the labeling, I should say, what my supplier "sells as". They're consistent though in that what they sell as, say, Washington A's, are indeed much stronger than what they sell as Siberian (and with a price tag to match).

With my dog the peak times are pretty consitent. But then so are other things, like coffee intake, food etc. It would be interesting to mix those factors up to see if they are indeed random time frames.

The pooch has also found Agaric to get along real well with other mixtures, i.e. chaliponga type teas, opiated smoke mixtures, things of that nature. I also agree mind set and attitude have a lot of effect.

The true break through experiences I've had, leaving the body, intra dimensional travel, conversing with dieties, animals and plants large and small parading through the room etc, did require rather large doses (for poochie, 5g of the good stuff constitutes a large dose) taken in 2 hour intervals.

There's also a freshness factor I would imagine. The stuff you get out of the ground is probably worlds better than anything I get via the Net.

Either way, I can see much more research is in order. The pooch just loves any excuse to reasearch heh heh ....

[mutant]

with 5 gr taking the dog to breakthrough [isn't that what you said?], this must be one of the strongest potencies reported, especially if consistent. Even if stems are generally discarded in this batch, it think it's still pretty much...

My cats equivalent is around 15~18gr mixed with stems , that is

[cochisewolf]

Well that may have to do with body weight, metabolism, normal diet etc. The cat in question is 6ft tall, weigh 140 lbs. He also has a pretty good sensitivity to psychedelic type substances. But yes, these are pretty bloody potent lol. Also I mentioned 5g taken in 2 hour intervals, usually about the 3rd or 4th round the journey begins in earnest.