Comparing Salvia and DMT

[gibran]

To someone who is unfamiliar with DMT or salvia, or both, it isn’t very helpful to say “It’s like apples and oranges” when someone asks how they compare.

My friend’s friend tells me he has experience with both, and he agrees that they are similar in some superficial ways, but different in most other respects. He says it would be more helpful to describe the effects of each. Keep in mind that any description is very subjective. Other’s experiences may be very different:

Quote from a friend of a friend
The speed of onset for both is similarly fast, but DMT seems to take effect faster.

Salvia’s initial effects are very “spatial”. One can feel space itself deforming, folding, twisting, etc. Often one can also feel one’s body deforming, folding, etc. DMT’s initial effects are harder to describe. There is a very strong “rush” which is sometimes euphoric, sometimes not. This is accompanied by very vivid, detailed, and colorful visions. A “ceiling” of colorful fluidly moving forms descends and “makes a connection”. There appears to be an intelligence present in the forms.

Salvia experiences tend to be very “human” and earth-based. Strange but recognizable. Entities almost always take on human form and appear in recognizable settings: groups of people in a courtyard, people at a circus/carnival, etc. Often the setting seems to be very similar to consensus reality, yet slightly different – the sense of “parallel worlds” is very strong.

DMT experiences are totally alien. Not alien like outer-space aliens, but alien as in totally unfamiliar and beyond imagination. Entities are too strange to adequately describe: the colorfulness of tropical fish; fern-like forms, geometric solids – spheres, beads, cubes; tentacles; so many strange shapes and colors. It is easy to think of the DMT “hyperspace” (a term I really dislike) as part of an immaterial realm – a “spirit world”.

When salvia entities communicate, it is via ordinary language, yet sometimes spoken in a very sing-song manner. DMT entities seem to communicate telepathically or visually. But the DMT realm is not silent – there is alien music and other sounds too bizarre to describe.

Salvia experiences are often emotionally flat. An especially intense experience may be somewhat frightening, and sometimes there are “playful” feelings. DMT experiences can be very emotionally intense, with the full range of human emotions playing out.

Salvia is more predictable than DMT. A particular measured dose of salvia will almost always result in an experience of a particular level of intensity (although the content of the experience is anyone’s guess). A measured dose of DMT can sometimes produce a very mild experience one day, and an uncomfortably intense experience another.

Salvia experiences, when happening, often seem very real, yet after the experience is over they often don’t seem quite as real. Not unlike a dream. A deep DMT breakthrough experience is undeniably real, both during and after the experience. Salvia has led me to question the nature of existence, but DMT has permanently changed my views regarding an afterlife, our origins, and other deeply spiritual concepts. Salvia seems to teach us something about this world, about this material universe. DMT teaches us something about the timeless immaterial realm that lies beyond.

[WorldBuilder]

Originally Posted by gibran

What my friend's friend said.

Though my Walrus hasn't tried DMT, there are some things that your friend's friend said about Salvia that my Walrus experiences differently:


Entities almost always take on human form and appear in recognizable settings: groups of people in a courtyard, people at a circus/carnival, etc. Often the setting seems to be very similar to consensus reality, yet slightly different.

-My Walrus has never, ever, experienced anything even remotely similar to what goes on in real life in a salvia trip. He has never seen anything that looked like a human, or really looked like anything "real". He could sometimes sense the presence of other humanoid "spirits"(for lack of a better term, not intended to be suggestive of a connection between Salvia and Spirituality), but these "spirits", like him, always seemed to make up the environment my Walrus found himself in (they would live inside the surfaces).




When salvia entities communicate, it is via ordinary language.

-For my walrus, it seems that way at first, but several times he actually brought back what the entities were saying, and it was always complete and utter gibberish. It sounded meaningful, like plain english, but in reality, it was gibberish.

[Robotic Elf]

Originally Posted by witchammer

what if your a witch that was turned into an elf by a wizard

Are you talking about me ?


Spice is nice. I could never describe my Salvia experiences as "nice".

Apples and oranges !

[twistnwaves]

My friend loves both, DMT is like psychedelic ecstasy, the rush and body buzz is intense but wonderful. The visuals and colorful, intricate, full of symbolism and pulsing with life. he often sees eyes looking at him from within everything.
He has never had a bad or frightening trip, but for some reason he starts shaking right before he takes the first hit.

Salvia is very very strange. It seems to spread reality out into a super dimensional space. He finds it very soothing and comforting in a strange nostalgic kind of way. all of space and time seems to exist all at once in the same place and in all places. he has also seen a spectrum of parallel worlds unfolding before his eyes. its also good for the sinuses, clears up a stuffed up nose every time! and a friend of a friend said he did it at a party after some heavy drinking and felt great the next day, while everyone else was badly hungover.

enhancing plain leaf with spice and a SMALL pinch of 5x or 10x is very nice.

Salvia with music is an experience really worth trying. it can make for a really epic trip and have you falling in love with your favorite music allover again.

DMT and music is great, it can drive the trip and make it very ecstatic. all of his molecules seem to vibrate and dance to it on the verge of blowing him apart.

[cochisewolf]

DMT is a casual stroll through the desert at twilight, stars shining brightly, wind rustling softly, the bay of indistinct animals howling in the distance.

Salvia is the desert opening up and swallowing you, chewing you up and then spitting you out leaving you for dead in some salt mine.

My friend seems to get along with the former, gets beat up by the latter ...

Here's an instructive comparison. When you google DMT Art and select images you get things like this:

Salvia art you find stuff like this:

See the difference?

[TheGoodLocust]

Originally Posted by skippyluvs

This was posted on another forum:

"DMT is the kind of substance that wizards, elves, and griffons would use. Salvia on the other hand is something that witches and warlocks would choose."

Kind of makes you go "gulp" after reading that.

It makes me wonder what is the difference between a warlock and wizard.

[salvia_explorer]

Originally Posted by skippyluvs

This was posted on another forum:

"DMT is the kind of substance that wizards, elves, and griffons would use. Salvia on the other hand is something that witches and warlocks would choose."

Kind of makes you go "gulp" after reading that.

How accurate would some of you say that is, also what thoughts do you have?

For quite a while, my lizard ventured very deeply into salvia using very strong extract and quite often. He really enjoyed it but after a while it started taking him to the same baseline. The visuals from salvia were more of minds eye visuals.
Then he discovered dmt. The astounding visuals from DMT are inseperable from reality and he assures me that reality can totally vanish into a colorful intricate dreamland.
As much as he used to like salvia and found it to be deep and revealing, he doesn't use it anymore. Compared to spice( dmt) he considers salvia pretty much a waste of time. There is REALLY that much of a difference.

Peace
SE

[ComoSally]

For my cat, salvia has always been a nature related experience. Even indoor trips to him take the turn towards thoughts of woods and fields, rivers and streams.
DMT on the other hand has always seemed very synthetic. The thought of "Machine elves" that has been mentioned online comes to mind. The cat has only used extracted DMT that he obtained through a nasty chemical process, so that may have affected his experiences.

The cat says that he feels both are spiritual experiences, but oh so very different. He also believes that set and setting have played an enormous roll in his understanding of each substance.

[Ascended]

The only similarities I find with Salvinorin A and DMT are that both rush one into another plane of reality for a very short period of time.

Salvia is something whose full benefits can only be experienced by those calibrating at high levels of consciousness where the ego will not cause complications.

[cochisewolf]

Interesting link there Ascended, I think I'll have to investigate it further ...