Japanese Panther Mushroom

[PsYq0]

Has anyone ever heard of this mushrrom? It's a version of the Amanita pantherina, but Japanese (?) Just wondering if anyone knows any who has tried them, or what.

Thanks for your help.

[tranceDJcrashd]

Psyq0, I noticed that this went un-answered for a while. The Japanese panther mushroom is in fact Amanita Pantherina... they're found all over the world, not just in japan... in fact I'm not sure if they even grow in japan.

from what I've read on the subject, they're just a much stronger amanita with the same active ingredients... this isn't something you want to fool around with, TRUST ME...

the stumach cramps and violent onset of the experience when using Panthers is rediculous... these things will turn you inside out if you're not careful...

you should be able to find plenty of info on erowid's site or just UTFSE, as we all like to say.

good luck, sorry it took so long to get back to you on this one. PM me for more info...

[RifeHeretic]

Aren't Panthers really poisonous too?

[tranceDJcrashd]

Originally Posted by RifeHeretic

Aren't Panthers really poisonous too?

it depends on how you view poisonous ...

the ibotenic acid in both panther mushrooms and fly agarics can be a horrible thing to ingest... the mucimol isn't much better if you don't know what you are doing... however if used just right, it can be the best thing anyones ever used... for instance

This FOAF I know decided on friday night to use up the rest of his batch of dried amanita muscaria's, and he's had mixed experiences with them... he took about 15 dried caps with him, all approximately 3 inches across. they were all pretty much the same color, a golden yellow/orange with nice big tufts of white on top. he started out with just 1 cap and waited about an hour... then another and about 45 minutes later he was feeling pretty good... nothing too intense, but good enough to enjoy the night. then he had another and went outside for a smoke... it felt unbearably cold outside, and he wasn't a big fan of that, however it was almost 55 degrees outside which wasn't too bad usually. then he went back into the house to finish a movie he had started. as soon as he walked through the door, the sweat started pouring off his head... he at one more cap, which would typically put him right where he needed to be.

the sweat didn't stop, and the cold shivers and convulsions started in pretty strongly... it were as if he were laying on a slab of ice with snow for a blanket... absolutely frozen all around no matter how hard he tried... this lasted for about 4 hours, at which time this FOAF finally passed out..

this is the same report given when one panther mushrooms was ingested a few months back.. maybe its just too much for the un-trained user to ingest, or maybe there isn't enough experience... either way I would definitely consider this a poisoning

[tranceDJcrashd]

Originally Posted by RifeHeretic

Aren't Panthers really poisonous too?

it depends on how you view poisonous ...

the ibotenic acid in both panther mushrooms and fly agarics can be a horrible thing to ingest... the mucimol isn't much better if you don't know what you are doing... however if used just right, it can be the best thing anyones ever used... for instance

This FOAF I know decided on friday night to use up the rest of his batch of dried amanita muscaria's, and he's had mixed experiences with them... he took about 15 dried caps with him, all approximately 3 inches across. they were all pretty much the same color, a golden yellow/orange with nice big tufts of white on top. he started out with just 1 cap and waited about an hour... then another and about 45 minutes later he was feeling pretty good... nothing too intense, but good enough to enjoy the night. then he had another and went outside for a smoke... it felt unbearably cold outside, and he wasn't a big fan of that, however it was almost 55 degrees outside which wasn't too bad usually. then he went back into the house to finish a movie he had started. as soon as he walked through the door, the sweat started pouring off his head... he at one more cap, which would typically put him right where he needed to be.

the sweat didn't stop, and the cold shivers and convulsions started in pretty strongly... it were as if he were laying on a slab of ice with snow for a blanket... absolutely frozen all around no matter how hard he tried... this lasted for about 4 hours, at which time this FOAF finally passed out..

this is the same report given when one panther mushrooms was ingested a few months back.. maybe its just too much for the un-trained user to ingest, or maybe there isn't enough experience... either way I would definitely consider this a poisoning

[nightschase]

I've tried "Panther Caps" before, and I must say the only "poisonous" thing about them is the weak feeling you get during the first hour of the trip. You'll feel really weak, like you are dying, but in fact it's just your body adjusting to the extremely accelerated climbing. These aren't "trip around the park" shrooms either, these are "stay in your room because you will go insane" shrooms. Even veterans of muscaria or psilocybin mushrooms should do their homework and mentally prepare themselves for this trip.

[RasZionI]

These sound crazy. What if a person stuck with low doses of this panther mushroom? I have heard from the shaman who created the Soma movie that "posioning" is just overdoseing the fly agaric, that people take to much.

[tranceDJcrashd]

HA! well let me tell you... angels looking over your shoulder or not.. each mushroom in the world, whether amanita, PS Cubes or Copelandia... even poisonous mushrooms each have different levels of chems/alks in them based on where they're growing, light, moisture.. Everything plays into effect, and you never really know what you're getting... ESPECIALLY with panthers... and its true, most of the "poisoning" is really nothing more than someone taking a bit too much. Poisoning and overdoing it are two different things in my opinion.. Poisoning is when you become seriously ill, maybe so bad that you need medical help or you could potentially die...

Overdoing it with any mushroom is merely putting yourself in harms way, or an uncomfortable situation that isn't really mentally controllable.. I've told many people that Amanita's have given me cold sweats so bad it was like I had just gotten out of a pool or something.. It's an aweful feeling when you've got to sleep on bath towels so you don't get the bed all soggy. Sweating like a motherfuck, but enjoyed the whole thing.

I do agree with Night that Set and Setting are very important with Panthers.. the accelerated Muscimol Experience is one to be certainly careful with... you will question reality, death and where the toilet is very often... not to mention a complete reversal of location mentally is a really difficult thing for many people, forgetting their way around places they've been there whole life...

interestingly enough, this higher ingestion level of muscimol leaves most with an AP hangover like a MOFO, and isn't a good feeling at all.

[nightschase]

Yeah, never ingest more than 4 grams, thats the absolute max I would say to be safe. I usually go with around 3.5 (1/8).

[tranceDJcrashd]

if you're simply looking to get dissalusioned, 1g of good shit will get you there.. if you're looking to dissassociate for a while 2.5 g.. if you're looking to get stupified 3.5grams does the trick with minimal craziness..

just FYI 14 grams, SWIM wound up pissing on one of SWIMS neighbors pets... not good, and hard to explain the next day, considering SWIM was caught pole in hand...

so to speak!

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sorry I'm fucked, but I don't think I give entheogens a bad name.. I've done a good job at messing up my own name tho

so, go piss on something! what are you waiting for?